Maria Elisabeth RITTER

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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Maria Elisabeth RITTER was born 9 Apr 1666, Ingweiler, Germany; died Germany.

    Other Events:

    • _UID: F75D10391D1145B6851388F206BCE2E56163

    Maria married Nicholas MOSER 20 Nov 1692, Ingweiler, Germany. Nicholas was born Abt 1672, Zittersheim, Germany; died Germany. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 2. Hans Philipp MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 3 Sep 1693, Ingweiler, Germany; died Germany.
    2. 3. Johann Paul MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 31 Mar 1697, Kohlthal, Near Wingen, Germany; died Aft 1771, District Twp, Berks Co, PA.
    3. 4. Anna Barbara MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 13 Jan 1701, Ingweiler, Germany; died Germany.


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Hans Philipp MOSER Descendancy chart to this point (1.Maria1) was born 3 Sep 1693, Ingweiler, Germany; died Germany.

    Other Events:

    • _UID: 3FCE1E8F2EBB450CAF1895A94A4F1C39E7A9


  2. 3.  Johann Paul MOSER Descendancy chart to this point (1.Maria1) was born 31 Mar 1697, Kohlthal, Near Wingen, Germany; died Aft 1771, District Twp, Berks Co, PA.

    Other Events:

    • Unknown: 30 Jun 1747, District Twp, Berks Co, PA (100 A, Warrant, Between Oley And Colebrookdale); Bought_land
    • Unknown: 19 Jun 1771, District Twp, Berks Co, PA (100 A, Deed A6:540); Sold_land
    • Immigration: Abt 1729, PA
    • Occupation: Farmer
    • _UID: 5AE8E3DC49354814B0DAB2A937246AC54AD5

    Notes:

    1723, worker at Wingen glass factory

    1752 tax list, Colebrookdale (Mosner),see Rupps (and internet=Moser)

    sp -> 1752 Andreas Jurger and Catharina [Conrad], Swamp
    sp -> 1752 John Kolran and Catharina, Swamp

    See 18th Century Immigrants from Northern Alsace, Burgert, pg 367

    Communicants list, Oley Hill,14 Apr 1754
    Hans Pauli Moser, Cath. Barb. his wife, son Frantz, daughter Christina

    Land 100 acres, 30 Jun 1747, Philadelphia Co (John Paul Moser)

    Johann married Maria Barbara CASSEL 1723, Germany. Maria (daughter of Wilhelm CASSEL and Maria Catharine UNKNOWN) was born 1 May 1702, Zittersheim, Germany; died Aft 1733, Berks Co, PA. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 5. Maria Elisabeth MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 19 Nov 1723, Wingen, Germany; died PA.
    2. 6. Johan Franciscus MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 1733, Berks Co, PA; died Aft 1800, Earl Twp, Berks Co, PA.
    3. 7. Maria Christina MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 19 Apr 1740, Berks Co, PA; died Aft 1756, Berks Co, PA.
    4. 8. Johann Michael MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 9 Jul 1743, Berks Co, PA; died 27 Jul 1754, Berks Co, PA; was buried Oley Hill Church, Pike Twp, Berks Co, PA.

  3. 4.  Anna Barbara MOSER Descendancy chart to this point (1.Maria1) was born 13 Jan 1701, Ingweiler, Germany; died Germany.

    Other Events:

    • _UID: D665871E552E4D229532EE048E665F250358



Generation: 3

  1. 5.  Maria Elisabeth MOSER Descendancy chart to this point (3.Johann2, 1.Maria1) was born 19 Nov 1723, Wingen, Germany; died PA.

    Other Events:

    • _UID: 4FD06D8584E0413DA426B885D67E85FBCE40


  2. 6.  Johan Franciscus MOSER Descendancy chart to this point (3.Johann2, 1.Maria1) was born 1733, Berks Co, PA; died Aft 1800, Earl Twp, Berks Co, PA.

    Other Events:

    • Confirmation: 8 Apr 1750, Falckner Swamp Church, New Hanover Twp, Montgomery Co, PA
    • Unknown: 19 Jun 1771, District Twp, Berks Co, PA (100 A, Deed A6:540); Bought_land
    • Naturalization: 4 Aug 1765, Oley Twp, Berks Co, PA
    • Occupation: Weaver
    • _UID: 6D1877298C9F4FE3A5D09F2EC6469755BC2A

    Notes:

    Name Suffix: Senior

    1756 tax list, E District, (see Rupps)
    1767 taxlist, E District, 100A, 3H, 2C, 4S, $ 5
    1768 tax list, E District, 100A, 2H, 2C, 2S, $ 3
    1779 tax list, E District, 100A, 4H, 4C, $293
    1780 tax list, E District, 182A, 4H, 5C, $25.10.0, weaver
    1781 tax list, E District, 182A, 3H, 5C, $2.10.0, weaver
    1784 tax list, Earl, 182A, 3H, 4C, 5S, 9 people
    1785 tax list, Earl, 1.3.6

    1790 census, Earl, 1-0-3

    sp (Frantz and Barbar Haug) -> 1752 John Kolran and Catharina, Swamp
    sp (Frantz and sister Christina) -> 1754Wilhelm Hallade and Hanna, Oley
    sp -> 1756 Wolfgang Ulmer and Barbara (still single)
    sp - 1757 Adam Roth and Catharine Geiger, singles
    sp - 1758 Johannes Gerber and Magdalena
    sp - 1760 John Erhard Muller and Maria Elisabeth Bohm
    sp (Frantz) -> 1762 George Kuhns and Elisabeth
    sp - 1763 John Gaerber and George Kuhns
    sp - 1765 Johannes Gerber and Magdalena
    sp - 1774 Johannes Gerber andMagdalena
    sp - 1779 George Schall and Catharine
    sp - 1782 Andreas Wyand and Christina Guldin
    sp -> 1786 Valentine Busch and Elisabeth
    sp -> 1788 Christian Moser and Eva
    sp -> 1789 George Moser and Sabina
    sp -> 1790 Frantz Moser Jrand Susanna
    sp (Frantz) -> Jonas Weber and Maria

    being naturalized would suggest Franciscus was foreign born. But if he was born in 1733,
    and his father came here in 1729, well, that is the problem.


    an agreement filed in deedbook 17, pg 299
    in German, dated 24 Oct 1799 mentions:
    agreement - Frantz Moser of Earl Twp, Frantz Mosser Jr, and Friederich Reidenauer
    mentions daughters Barbara, Christina, Magdalena
    Catharina's children?

    Johan married Maria Elisabeth BUSCH 20 Apr 1756, Oley Hill Church, Pike Twp, Berks Co, PA. Maria (daughter of Johan Jacob BUSCH and Maria Elisabeth ESSIG) was born Abt 1739, Germany; died Aft 1790, Earl Twp, Berks Co, PA. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 9. Catharine MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 7 Jan 1757, District Twp, Berks Co, PA; died Yes, date unknown.
    2. 10. Johannes MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 16 Oct 1758, Berks Co, PA; died Aft 1810, Earl Twp, Berks Co, PA.
    3. 11. John Michael MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 19 Dec 1760, District Twp, Berks Co, PA; died Mar 1817, Hereford Twp, Berks Co, PA.
    4. 12. John George MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 1 Jan 1763, District Twp, Berks Co, PA; died Aft 1795, Berks Co, PA.
    5. 13. Fransiscus MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 19 Mar 1765, District Twp, Berks Co, PA; died Aft 1820, Earl Twp, Berks Co, PA.
    6. 14. Christian MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 16 Apr 1767, District Twp, Berks Co, PA; died 5 Mar 1846, Earl Twp, Berks Co, PA; was buried Oley Hill Church, Pike Twp, Berks Co, PA.
    7. 15. Anna Margaretha MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born Abt 1769, District Twp, Berks Co, PA; died Aft 1786.
    8. 16. Mary Magdalena MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 6 Mar 1772, District Twp, Berks Co, PA; died Aft 1817, Rockland Twp, Berks Co, PA.
    9. 17. Daniel MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 21 Aug 1774, District Twp, Berks Co, PA; died 1821, Derry Twp, Mifflin Co, PA.
    10. 18. Barbara MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 5 Apr 1779, District Twp, Berks Co, PA; died Aft 1802, District Twp, Berks Co, PA.
    11. 19. Christina MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 4 Dec 1782, District Twp, Berks Co, PA; died Berks Co, PA.

  3. 7.  Maria Christina MOSER Descendancy chart to this point (3.Johann2, 1.Maria1) was born 19 Apr 1740, Berks Co, PA; died Aft 1756, Berks Co, PA.

    Other Events:

    • Confirmation: 20 May 1753, Falckner Swamp Church, New Hanover Twp, Montgomery Co, PA
    • _UID: 8303ABCBE5854D629FD9266CCB8EDA499BA7

    Notes:

    Anna Christina (d/o Paul) sp -> 1754, Michael Land and Christina

    communicant 5 Dec 1756 at Oley Hill (Christina, d/o Paul)


  4. 8.  Johann Michael MOSER Descendancy chart to this point (3.Johann2, 1.Maria1) was born 9 Jul 1743, Berks Co, PA; died 27 Jul 1754, Berks Co, PA; was buried Oley Hill Church, Pike Twp, Berks Co, PA.

    Other Events:

    • _UID: 3F9E3862887A45A99127879E1709E7F03B8B



Generation: 4

  1. 9.  Catharine MOSER Descendancy chart to this point (6.Johan3, 3.Johann2, 1.Maria1) was born 7 Jan 1757, District Twp, Berks Co, PA; died Yes, date unknown.

    Other Events:

    • Baptism: 6 Feb 1757, Oley Hill Church, Pike Twp, Berks Co, PA
    • _UID: 40E47E90E6E5481992EAE56B87E7189F4FEB

    Notes:

    I suspect from the land record (17:299) that Catharine married Frederick Reitenauer


  2. 10.  Johannes MOSER Descendancy chart to this point (6.Johan3, 3.Johann2, 1.Maria1) was born 16 Oct 1758, Berks Co, PA; died Aft 1810, Earl Twp, Berks Co, PA.

    Other Events:

    • Baptism: 22 Oct 1758, Oley Hill Church, Pike Twp, Berks Co, PA
    • Occupation: Earl Twp, Berks Co, PA; Blacksmith
    • _UID: 219C3528FD154ED5BED6FAC4C8D4C06F6C73

    Notes:

    Name Suffix: Senior

    1780 tax list, E District, $9.10.0 single
    1781 tax list, E District, 1C, $3.6 blacksmith
    1784 tax list, Earl, 1C, 3 people, blacksmith

    1790 census, Earl Twp, 1-2-3
    1800 census, Earl, pg 592, 01010-20010 (also others in Berks Co - check)
    1810 census, Earl, pg 761, 10001-10001
    1820 census

    sp (Anna Maria) -> 1778, Friedrich Muller and Rosina
    sp - 1781 George Moser and Odelia Huter (at Oley Hill)
    sp - 1783 Magdalena Huter
    sp - 1784 Martin Meyer and Magdalena
    sp - 1790 Johannes Huter and Magdalena Moser
    sp - 1795 Jacob Huter and Catharine
    sp - 1797 Adam Huter and Barbara Moser single
    sp - 1799 Frantz Moser and Susanna
    sp - 1800 Frantz Moser [Jr] and Susanna
    sp -> 1803 Johannes Hattel and wf (at Oley Reformed)

    (add from Oley Hill: Johannes 1803, sp Johannes Hauck and Esther)

    and wf:
    Anna Margaretha 13 Dec1804/4 Apr 1805, sp parents (at Schwartzwald)

    A different Johannes Moser, died 26 Nov 1840, Floyd Indiana

    Note - rootsweb has a similar John Moser who died 1842 in Rye Twp, Perry Co, PA

    In National Gen Soc, Vol 65, pg 182, Shadrack Hatfield and wf Mary Elizabeth,
    Walnut Creek Twp, Brown Co, Kansas, a granddaughter of John Moser,
    Douglas Twp, Berks appoint Peter Moser, Union Twp, Berks attorney to
    collect inheritance, 5 Apr 1858 (misc 12:496)

    Johannes married Anna Maria HÜTER Bef 1781, Berks Co, PA. Anna (daughter of Hans Adam HÜDER and Elisabeth UNKNOWN) was born Abt 1758; died Aft 1805, Earl Twp, Berks Co, PA. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 20. Elisabetha MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 7 Sep 1781, Earl Twp, Berks Co, PA; died Aft 1836, Upper Mahantongo Twp, Schuylkill Co, PA.
    2. 21. Catharine MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 8 Feb 1783, Earl Twp, Berks Co, PA; died 29 Jan 1870, Rockland Twp, Berks Co, PA; was buried New Jerusalem Cemetery, Rockland Twp, Berks Co, PA.
    3. 22. Magdalena MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 16 Oct 1784, Earl Twp, Berks Co, PA; died PA.
    4. 23. Johannes MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 22 Dec 1789, Earl Twp, Berks Co, PA; died Bef 1794, Earl Twp, Berks Co, PA.
    5. 24. Jacob MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 22 Jan 1792, Earl Twp, Berks Co, PA; died 22 Nov 1874, Earl Twp, Berks Co, PA; was buried Oley Reformed Cemetery, Spangsville, Oley Twp, Berks Co, PA.
    6. 25. Johannes MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 28 Dec 1794, Earl Twp, Berks Co, PA; died 5 May 1869, Earl Twp, Berks Co, PA.
    7. 26. Susanna MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 7 Apr 1797, Earl Twp, Berks Co, PA; died Aft 1809.
    8. 27. Maria MOSER  Descendancy chart to this point was born 9 Apr 1799, Earl Twp, Berks Co, PA; died 1 Apr 1871, Reading, Berks Co, PA; was buried St. Paul's Church, Lobachsville, Pike Twp, Berks Co, PA.

  3. 11.  John Michael MOSER Descendancy chart to this point (6.Johan3, 3.Johann2, 1.Maria1) was born 19 Dec 1760, District Twp, Berks Co, PA; died Mar 1817, Hereford Twp, Berks Co, PA.

    Other Events:

    • Baptism: 28 Dec 1760, Oley Hill Church, Pike Twp, Berks Co, PA
    • Probate: 22 Mar 1817, Berks Co, PA
    • Will: 19 Feb 1817, Hereford Twp, Berks Co, PA
    • _UID: 258178DB85D0469EA85B170345A288B06E14

    Notes:

    single sp -> 1779, Johannes Busch and Christiana (Oley Hill)

    Christina 1782, sp Frantz Moser and Eva Liss Weis (Oley Salem)
    Johan Carl 1784, sp Martin Acker and Eva Maria Klotz (Oley Hill)
    Elisabeth 1786, sp Adam Schwable and Anna Margaretha Moser
    Maria 1788, sp Johannes Benfill and Christina
    sp -> 1789, Adam Wagner and Christina
    sp -> 1789, Jacob Gerber and Gertude
    Susanna 1790, spFrantz Moser and Susanna
    sp -> 1790, Johannes Herb and Susanna
    Adam 1792, spAdam Wagner and Christina
    Catharine 1794, sp George Hilbert and Magdalene
    sp-> 1796, Christian Moser and Elisabeth
    Magdalena 1797, sp Johannes Herb Jr and Barbara Mosser,single
    sp -> 1797, Johannes Herb and Susanna
    sp -> 1799, Wilhelm Perts and Elisabeth
    George 1799, sp George Moser and Sabina
    sp -> 1800, Peter Weller and Barbara [Moser]
    Margaretha 1802/3, sp Erhard Weiss and Magdalena
    sp -> 1804, Heinrich Becker and Christina
    Sarah 1805, sp Peter DeFrehn and Elisabeth
    sp -> 1810, Jacob Hoffman and Maria

    will 1817, Hereford mentions
    son Charles, son Adam, son George, c/o decd daughter Mary, wf Margaret,
    6 daughters living (not named)

    is wife a Weiss?

    John married Margaretha UNKNOWN Abt 1781, Berks Co, PA. Margaretha was born Abt 1762; died Yes, date unknown. [Group Sheet]


  4. 12.  John George MOSER Descendancy chart to this point (6.Johan3, 3.Johann2, 1.Maria1) was born 1 Jan 1763, District Twp, Berks Co, PA; died Aft 1795, Berks Co, PA.

    Other Events:

    • Baptism: 9 Jan 1763, Oley Hill Church, Pike Twp, Berks Co, PA
    • _UID: C4CCA0AD9AFC47228E012CC9407F1F75B35D

    Notes:

    single sp 1781 -> Johannes Mosser and Mary (at Oley Salem with Odelia Hutter)

    and Sabina:
    Elisabeth 1783, sp Johannes Klotz and Elisabeth
    Susanna 1784, sp George Fuchs and Susanna Herb
    George 1789, sp Frantz Moser and Elisabeth
    Anna Maria 1792, sp Philip Weller and Gertraut
    sp -> 1799, Michael Moser and Margaretha

    and Salome:
    Johannes 1787, sp Johannes Weiss and Catharine

    and Sarah:
    Anna Catharine 1795, sp Abraham Herb and Anna

    John married Sabina (Salome) HERB Bef 1783, Berks Co, PA. Sabina (daughter of Abraham HERB and Gertraut UNKNOWN) was born Abt 1763; died Yes, date unknown. [Group Sheet]


  5. 13.  Fransiscus MOSER Descendancy chart to this point (6.Johan3, 3.Johann2, 1.Maria1) was born 19 Mar 1765, District Twp, Berks Co, PA; died Aft 1820, Earl Twp, Berks Co, PA.

    Other Events:

    • Baptism: 5 Apr 1765, Oley Hill Church, Pike Twp, Berks Co, PA
    • _UID: F14CD10DF1524D9889D4BB01B0ECEF674E0B

    Notes:

    Name Suffix: Junior

    1790 census
    1800 census
    1810 census
    1820 census, Earl, Francis Moser, 001101-11111

    single sp -> 1782, Michael Moser and Margretha (Oley Salem)
    Matthias 1788, sp Matthias Endi and Marlena Moser (Oley Hill)
    sp -> 1790, Michael Moser and Margaretha
    sp -> 1790, Jacob Holder and Margaretha
    Magdalene 1792, sp George Hilbert and Magdalene
    sp -> 1794, Christian Moser and Elisabeth
    Johannes 1795, sp Christian Moser and Elisabeth
    sp -> 1795, Jacob Kelchner and Elisabeth
    sp -> 1796, Adam Fuchs and Elisabeth (?and wf?)
    Elisabeth 1797, sp Andreas Wiand and Elisabeth
    sp -> 1799, George Gilbertand Magdalena
    David 1801, sp Carl Wagner and Anna Maria
    sp -> 1807, Freidrich Reidenauer and Catharine
    sp -> 1807, Mathias Dotterer and Anna Maria
    Sarah 1808, sp Mathias Dotterer and Maria
    sp -> 1817, Jacob Aulenbach and Elisabeth
    sp -> 1818, John Moser and Magdalena (wf = "and wf")

    worldconnect says died1847 in Berks County.

    Fransiscus married Susanna ENTY 22 Dec 1785, Schwartzwald Reformed Church, Exeter Twp, Berks Co, PA (Rev Boos). Susanna was born 21 Feb 1764; died 15 Jan 1835. [Group Sheet]


  6. 14.  Christian MOSER Descendancy chart to this point (6.Johan3, 3.Johann2, 1.Maria1) was born 16 Apr 1767, District Twp, Berks Co, PA; died 5 Mar 1846, Earl Twp, Berks Co, PA; was buried Oley Hill Church, Pike Twp, Berks Co, PA.

    Other Events:

    • _UID: 8EB71B16298E4289B4633FA97AC16989243E

    Notes:

    George 1787, sp George Kelchner and Elisabeth Moser (who?)
    Elisabeth 1788, spFrantz Moser and Elisabeth
    Susanna 1794, sp Frantz Moser and Susanna
    sp -> 1795, Frantz Moser and Susanna
    Catharine 1796, sp Michael Moser and Margaretha
    Jacob 1800, sp Peter Weller and Barbara [Moser]
    Daniel 1802, sp Johannes Kochand Catharine

    Christian married Eva Elisabeth UNKNOWN Bef 1787, PA. Eva was born 2 May 1760; died 23 Sep 1841. [Group Sheet]


  7. 15.  Anna Margaretha MOSER Descendancy chart to this point (6.Johan3, 3.Johann2, 1.Maria1) was born Abt 1769, District Twp, Berks Co, PA; died Aft 1786.

    Other Events:

    • _UID: 844E40E21EE64F6E997806CC7FC24436533A

    Notes:

    sp -> 1786, Michael Moser and Margaretha

    married?
    Jacob Holder 1790


  8. 16.  Mary Magdalena MOSER Descendancy chart to this point (6.Johan3, 3.Johann2, 1.Maria1) was born 6 Mar 1772, District Twp, Berks Co, PA; died Aft 1817, Rockland Twp, Berks Co, PA.

    Other Events:

    • Baptism: 14 May 1772, Oley Hill Church, Pike Twp, Berks Co, PA
    • _UID: 35A87C70DE024E19B4D2A9FC45EE1162E1AD

    Notes:

    sp -> 1791, Jacob Kelchner and Elisabeth (at Oley Hill)
    sp -> 1793, Franz Moser Jr and Susanna
    sp -> 1794, Daniel Hilbert and Sabina [Hess]
    sp -> 1795, Michael Moser and Margaretha
    sp -> 1795, Peter DeLang and Catharine (at DeLong's)

    Mary married John George HILBERT Abt 1790, Berks Co, PA. John was born Abt 1770, PA; died Apr 1817, Rockland Twp, Berks Co, PA. [Group Sheet]


  9. 17.  Daniel MOSER Descendancy chart to this point (6.Johan3, 3.Johann2, 1.Maria1) was born 21 Aug 1774, District Twp, Berks Co, PA; died 1821, Derry Twp, Mifflin Co, PA.

    Other Events:

    • Baptism: 4 Sep 1774, Oley Hill Church, Pike Twp, Berks Co, PA
    • Unknown: 6 Dec 1821, Mifflin Co, PA; LetAdmin
    • _UID: 8CC60345447042FFB8B6105112BE0F549133

    Notes:

    Daniel 1795, sp Daniel Mohtz and Catharine

    death location from worldconnect

    Daniel married Rosina WAGNER 2 Dec 1794, Schwartzwald Reformed Church, Exeter Twp, Berks Co, PA. Rosina was born Abt 1774; died Yes, date unknown. [Group Sheet]


  10. 18.  Barbara MOSER Descendancy chart to this point (6.Johan3, 3.Johann2, 1.Maria1) was born 5 Apr 1779, District Twp, Berks Co, PA; died Aft 1802, District Twp, Berks Co, PA.

    Other Events:

    • Baptism: 25 Apr 1779, Oley Hill Church, Pike Twp, Berks Co, PA
    • _UID: B46C8C5FFFF34C8F95EA1D7B3AD0980FA02D

    Notes:

    single sp -> 1797, Michael Moser and Margaretha (at Oley Hill)

    Peter 1800, sp Michael Moser and Margaretha
    sp -> 1800, Christian Moser and Elisabeth

    Barbara married Peter WELLER Bef 1800, Berks Co, PA. Peter was born Abt 1779, PA; died Dec 1801, District Twp, Berks Co, PA. [Group Sheet]


  11. 19.  Christina MOSER Descendancy chart to this point (6.Johan3, 3.Johann2, 1.Maria1) was born 4 Dec 1782, District Twp, Berks Co, PA; died Berks Co, PA.

    Other Events:

    • Baptism: 14 Dec 1782, Oley Hill Church, Pike Twp, Berks Co, PA
    • _UID: 268B7411489C4A9C84F4892B8C999ECFBE0D

    Notes:

    who did she marry?
    Heinrich Becker in 1804?

    yes - found on worldconnect. But that says that Christina is Michael's
    daughter, not sister. Not sure of answer.