Other Events:

• _UID: 8ECBDEF56FE143F5A7E9EC648ABF1B362E58

Elisabeth married Jacob SCHROPE Bef 1863, Schuylkill Co, PA. Jacob was born 28 Apr 1837; died 22 Aug 1903, PA. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Baptism: 15 May 1803, Spies Church, Alsace Twp, Berks Co, PA
• Unknown: Bef 1825, Eldred Twp, Schuylkill Co, PA; Migrated
• Unknown: 1 Mar 1843, Eldred Twp, Schuylkill Co, PA; Bought_land
• Unknown: 22 Feb 1844, Eldred Twp, Schuylkill Co, PA; Sold_land
• Unknown: 23 Mar 1858, Schuylkill Co, PA; LetAdmin
• Occupation: Carpenter
• _UID: 7DCC32696151423FB3CF46F2BED3E668B0EB

Notes:

OCCUPATION: carpenter, boat builder (in Pottsville), farmer

1830 census, pg068, Upper Mahantongo, 2100 01-0000 10

1840 census, pg 094, Upper Mahantongo, 1120 01-2100 01

[1850 census, pg 394, Upper Mahantongo, John 45, Magdalena 44, George 44,
Daniel 12, John 10, Justina 8, Adam 6, Samuel 4, James 2, Magdalena 1,
John=laborer)

1850 note:
(I don't believe that is the right JohnSmith family. Certainly the child listing does
not match this John and Magdalena at all (wrong names/ages), but also the
neighbors appear to be folks down in western U. Mahantongo Twp.
Perhaps John was off with family in Ohio since his father just died??)

Also - I looked at the original census (not just the abstract), to see if there was some
chance that the children's names were on adifferent page, or some other confusion,
and it looks like there was just another family in the area. Note that this person is
a laborer, while the John I'm looking for was a house builder, and farmer with his own land.

sp (Magdalena) -> 1822 Henrich Mattern and Esther [Snyder]
sp (Magdalena) -> 1822 John Schneider and Margaretha

sp - 1826, Henrig Mattern and Ester [Snyder] (on taufschein)
sp -> 1830 Benjamin Schneider and Catharina [Hepler]
sp -> 1840 William Stitzer and Lythia [Reiner]

In Schuylkill County Biography's, pg 456 onDaniel H. Smith

admin 5:387 (to Daniel Smith)

... The paternal grandfather of Daniel H. Smith was also named John Smith and was
among the pioneer carpenters and boat builders of Pottsville. He located in Eldred
township in an early day and both he and his son John S. were identified with the
development of that township, contributing their share toward its material growth and
prosperity. They owned farms which they tilled in connection with their mechanical
work.

a settlement for John's estate:
Know all men by these presents that___ John Smith, George Smith, Henry Smith,
Catharine? Smith, now intermarriedto Daniel Klinger, Hannah Smith intermarried to
Wm Morgan, Elizabeth Smith, and Mary Smith All Heirs and Legal Representatives
of John Smith late of Eldredtownship in the County of Schuylkill State of Pa
decd who died intestate we do hereby Acknowledge that we this day had and Received
of and from Daniel Smith Administrator of the estate of the said John Smith the Sum
of twenty five dollars & fifty cents Respectfully in full Satisfaction and payment of all such Sum or Sums of money share or shares purparts and dividing which was due
owing payable and belonging to us by any means whatsoever for or on account of our
or each of our full share part or dividend of the Real and personal estate of our said
father decd And therefore we do the above named heirs And legal representatives do
by these presents Release acqust and forever discharge the Said Daniel Smith
Administrator as aforesaid, his heirs executors and Administrators of and from the said
moneys coming to us of the estate aforesaid and of and from All actions Suits
payments accounts, discharges, claims and demands whatsoever for or by reason
thereof or of any other act matter cause or thing whatsoever from the beginning of the
world to this day of the date hereof by these presents in witness whereof we have
hereunto set our hands and seals this 30th day of December AD 1859. Witness
present - [none]
signed - Johannes __ Schmit ??
[blank line]
Heinrich S? Shmidt
lisabet X Shmidt
[blank line]

the copy of the above estate record shows that at some point, paper work was begun
to complete the estate. It looks like a "release" form, but was never signed by
everyone and for some reason was never completed and filed in the county courthouse.

Note discrepancy with tombstone. 11 Nov 1802 in baptism,
11 Dec 1803 from supposed tombstone reading (source Dr. Meiser)
(not sure if stone had birth date or age listed) I checked at the church
several times and the stoneis not standing (at Church of God).

Another d

Johannes married Magdalena SCHNEIDER Bef 1826, Upper Mahantongo Twp, Schuylkill Co, PA. Magdalena (daughter of Philip SCHNEIDER and Maria UNKNOWN) was born 1 Sep 1801, Greenwich Twp, Berks Co, PA; died Between 1840 and 1858, Eldred Twp, Schuylkill Co, PA. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Baptism: 15 Nov 1801, Zion (Moselem) Church, Richmond Twp, Berks Co, PA
• Confirmation: 1817, Howerter's Luth Church, Upper Mahanoy Twp, Northumberland Co, PA
• _UID: 095F035ED6994C8599B157E1AE9CAA159454

Notes:

I'm not sure if the tombstone at Zion is really this Magdalena or if it was his only wife.
Or this is the Magdalena, wife of John Smith in the 1850 census that is clearly a
different family? Everyone seems to assume that the one at Zion is this one.
But why was she buried at a different church? Could it be that the Magdalena,
d/o of Philip baptized in Greenwich Twp isn't this one (I think it is).

is this really the Magdalena Schmidt, wife of Johannes, buried at Zion, Pitman:
2 Dec 1803 - 24 Dec 1851? From my picture:

Machdlena?
????
Johannes Schmidt
Dec 2_ 1803
Dec 2(4?) Dec 1854
52 years, 22 days

(most is still hard to read)

Note - she definitely had died by the time the estate records came up in 1858. Had
she left John and been living in Barry Twp maybe (since many kids got married
there). I've tried to find John in the 1850census but can't find them anywhere.

Other Events:

• Baptism: 15 Feb 1773, Oley Hill Church, Pike Twp, Berks Co, PA
• Unknown: Abt 1822, Norwegian Twp, Schuylkill Co, PA; Migrated
• Unknown: Abt 1832, Stark Co, OH; Migrated
• Unknown: Abt 1840, Tully Twp, Van Wert Co, OH; Migrated
• _UID: 3B1A31A4F24C417087033764F36FCDB42140

Notes:

*NOTE: I'm not really sure that Melchior is the son of Nicholas Smith. That
is just a guess for now
*NOTE: OK, now I'm leaning toward being a son of a John and Magdalena
*NOTE: OK, now I'm leaning toward a son of John and Elisabeth
*NOTE: now I'm back to Nicholas
* November 2000 - got will of Elisabeth, single d/o Nicholas and Eve. Mentions
her siblings Melchior and Frantz. Now I'm convinced this is the right family after all.

1800 census, Alsace, pg 553, 20010-01010 (two children between 1797 and 1800 ?)
1810 census, Exeter, pg 772, 40020-02001
1820 census, Alsace, pg 209, 210001-21010
1830 census, Norwegian Twp, pg 137, 0001 011-0022 001

1840 ??
?? Hartley Twp, Union Co, PA 1001 0101-2100 1000 01

1810 census, by Catharine Rapp, widow 00100-00101 and
Henry Rapp 21010-21010
1820 census, by Daniel Shaffer and John Boyer
note pg 208 has Widow Smith 010000-00001

sp (Melchior w/Barbara Papp) -> 1794, Peter Schmitt and wf [Sophia Papp] (Schwartzwald)
sp (Melchior w/Magdalena Papp) ->1797 Johannes Dautrich and Catharine [Papp] (1st Ref)

sp - 1803, John Schmitt and Magdalena
sp - 1804, Johann Schmitt and Maria Magdalena
sp - 1809, Johannes Bob and Catharine
sp - 1811, Henry Brautigam and Med (Magd.?) [Mayer, married 1789)

tombstone says died 1849, age 75.

despite the slight difference in birth dates between the baptism and tombstone for
John Smith (which tombstone doesn't exist now), I think Melchior is the likely father.
Consider:

- the county history describes John Smith as being an early boat builder and carpenter
in Pottsville (which was part of Norwegian Twp originally).
- there was aMelchior Smith in Norwegian Twp in 1830 (census).
- a Henry Smith appears in nearby Barry Twp at that time. This Henry later appears
in Van Wert Co, OH. County histories there talk about them going from PA to Stark Co
and then to Van Wert. Henry's wife and Melchior and Dorothy are all buried together
(no stone for Henry).
- a letter exists from Jesse Smith to brother John Smith (in possession of a decendent
of John) mentioning "Henry" who is out in Ohio with him and appears to be a brother.
Jesse also mentions going back to "see the place" in Pottsville one more time.
- a marriage record appears for Jesse Smith and Nancy in Stark County (matching the
names in the 1850 census of Van Wert and the location of Henry Smith, as if they all
moved together to Startk Co and then Van Wert).
- Melchior Smith and Dorothea have several children baptized in the Reading area,
including a John (at the time this one would have been born) and a Joseway (Jesse?).
There is a gap in known baptisms where Henry's birth would fit. Also, the sponsor of a
Catharine Smith to Henry in 1831 would fit the Catharine d/o Melchior.
- In summary, it appears that Melchior was the father of all these people and that
he moved to Ohio, leaving at least John behind (or maybe John went and came back).
It's still not clear where some of theSmiths mentioned in Jesse's letter fit in (ie, John
and Daniel's kids).

Note: I wonder if the marriage at Trinity, Nicholas Schmidt to Dorothea Schmidtin
on 12 May 1799 could be a typo - maybe it's really Melchior?? There is no Nicholas in
any other church records of this time or the 1800 census. was it s/o Nicholas?

Chronology of Peter and Melchior Smith (likely brothers):
Petermarries Sophia Bapp in 1793 in Alsace Twp
Melchior shows up by 1794. Seems to also befriend the Papp family
Melchior married by 1800 it seems

note - a John Smith, estate of 1845, Ohio, recorded in Berks County.

Melchior married Dorothy UNKNOWN Between 1797 and 1802, Berks Co, PA. Dorothy (daughter of Johannes SCHMIDT and Maria Magdalena UNKNOWN) was born 19 Jun 1778, PA; died 27 Sep 1848, Tully Twp, Van Wert Co, OH; was buried Sugar Ridge Cemetery, Tully Twp, Van Wert Co, OH. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• _UID: F490BC6C1EAA43C4BAAE29F0269CF047F577

Notes:

note - a Christian and M Magd Schmidt had a Dorothy 13 Jun 1772

Other Events:

• Baptism: 1 Apr 1770, Zion (Moselem) Church, Richmond Twp, Berks Co, PA
• Unknown: Abt 1803, Upper Mahantongo Twp, Schuylkill Co, PA; Migrated
• _UID: 8028C3D086594913956105B0D9677C5A37FA

Notes:

1800 census, pg 607, Greenwich, 10010-20010
1810 census, pg 825, Upper Mahantongo, 21000-30010 (widow of Philip)
1820 census, pg , Upper Mahantongo, 020000-1010-200 (Maria)
1830 census, pg 67, Upper Mahantongo, 1 age 50-60 (Maria, next to Frederick)

(in 1800 census, listed near Michael and Andrew Snyder)
(in 1800 census, listed next to Conrad Spohn and Samuel Sheffer)

sp (Philip w/Christina Hiegelman) -> 1791 Philip Mueller and wf Catharina

sp - 1801 Andreas Schneider and wf Magdalena

?this one? at Schwartzwald:
Philip, single sp -> 1794, Jacob Rahn and wf [Elisabetha Schneider of Windsor][M1789]

####################################################
I believe this is the right Philip in Berks County mainly because of:
- the good fit in the 1800 census, Greenwich
- it appears that Philip disappears from Berks County at the time this one shows
up in the tax listing of Mahantongo Twp
- he had a daughter Magdalena and a wife named Maria at the right time/place

####################################################
other Philips (Albany and Windsor Twps)
1800 census, pg 550, Albany, 11110-20010
1810 census, pg 605, Albany, 10010-42010

1800census, Windsor, 00010-31010 (near John Snyder)

at the Eck Church in 1795 with wife Margaretha (child Rebecca)
at the Eck Church in 1798 with wife Maria?(child Salome)

Philip of Windsor and Elisabeth Neuman, married Apr 9 1795 (at Schwartz.)

"Philip Snyder of Albany came from Bloomsburg, PA, ref Montgomery's Berks book, pg 678)"

1810 census, pg 637, Windsor, 20010-32010 (with John 00010-20010)
at Moselem in 1806 with wife Margaretha (son Philip)
probably son of John who died in 1805 in Windsor with sons Philip and John,
and sons in law Jacob and Adam Rahn (see above)

note - land records (this is the other Philip I think)
Berks Deed 18:31, 1798, John Snyder and Elizabeth to Philip Snyder
220.5 Acres, Patent 1 Dec 1739. 27 Apr 1783 to John Snyder. on Schuylkill
River, East Bank, N70E, 234p post, S20E, 132p stump, S70W 330p ash by river
up river 150p to beginning
####################################################

Philip married Maria UNKNOWN Bef 1795, Greenwich Twp, Berks Co, PA. Maria was born Abt 1775, PA; died Feb 1837, Upper Mahantongo Twp, Schuylkill Co, PA. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Probate: 1 Mar 1837, Schuylkill Co, PA
• Will: 28 Feb 1835, Upper Mahantongo Twp, Schuylkill Co, PA
• _UID: 984A7F97C7D14A54B7C521D49298575B7BB8

Notes:

http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/h/u/Angeleque-M-Shumway/GENE1-0 004.html
says her last name was Erb (but there were several Philip Schneider's aroundand
I don't see any Erb's in the area of this one).

some single Maria's inthe area (to check out):

1793 Maria Merklin (pg 233) (and 1794, pg 234)
1793 Anna Maria Adolphin (pg 234)
1795 Maria Engelin (pg 236 and 7) through Aug 27
1798 Maria Eckert (pg 238) this is too late

Maria Merkel born 17 Jan 1773 to Jacob and Maria Eva (Mayer)
but she married John Beck

Anna Maria Merkel born 1767, d/o Peter and Anna Catharina

but sp to Christian would suggest d/o George and Anna Christina

older man Conrad Spohn was listed before theirhousehold in 1800 (did they
live there?)

Anna Maria Bieber 1773, d/o Nicolaus
Anna Maria Christ 1774, d/o Valentin
Maria Mengel 1774, d/o Friedrich **
Anna Maria Bauer 1774? d/o George Michael
Anna Maria Humbert 1775, d/o George
Anna Maria Bauer 1776, d/o Jacob

Other Events:

• Probate: 9 Aug 1790, Berks Co, PA
• Will: 8 Jul 1790, Colebrookdale Twp, Berks Co, PA
• _UID: 6AA76EACC03D4DE6895DA198205F5878C936

Notes:

The children of Nicholas are listed here are purely speculative and just for testing purposes!!

Oley burial record says Nicholas Schmidt died Jul 17, 1790, aged 76-7-6
(->born c1714) a son of Sebastian Schmidt and wf Christina. I suspect the age is
off! I'm saying he was abt 56. 11 Dec 1713 (note, an adjacent death also has
age at death as 76).

1752 tax list, Oley (see internet) (is this the same Nicholas later in Colebrookdale?)
1754 tax list, Oley Twp, single, $9 (this would imply a young Nicholas).

1767 tax list, Colebrookdale, 91A, 1H, 2C, 2S, $2 (laborer)
1768 tax list, Colebrookdale, 50A, 1H, 1C, $2
1779 tax list, Colebrookdale, 50A, 1H, 1C, $135
1780 tax list, Colebrookdale, 90A, 2H, 2C, $6.10.0
1781 tax list, Colebrookdale, 90A, 2H, 2C, $1.3.11
1784 tax list, Colebrookdale, 90A, 2H, 2C, 11 people

1790 census (it seems mostof Colebrookdale is missing in the 1790 census!)

1810 census, Colebrookdale, pg 750, 00000-00101 (Eve, widow)

PAA 5:5, pg 150, Berks Militia, Cpt Lesher, 27 Aug 1776, Pvt Nicholas Smith
(he is probably not 63 years old here!)

(and Maria Eva):
Christopher 1763, sp the parents (Oley Hill)
sp 1768 to Jacob Herb and Catharine [Hauck] (at New Hanover)
Sabina 1770, sp Jacob Herb and wf Catharine [Hauck] (at Oley Hill)
Melchior 1773, sp Melchior Endlich and Maria ("because it was very sick")
Christine Elisabeth 1778, sp John Becker and wf[Christine Hauck?]

Nicholas and Maria Elisabeth (I think this is a typo/misprint - should be M Eva)
M Catharine 1768, sp the parents (at Oley Hill) (is this the wrong wf name in record?)

(note Melchior Endlich was at Oley Reformed in 1772, sp Michael Buch,
1773, sp Anna Maria Wertz) (also Entlich, Indlich, etc)

Executors of will are Nicholas Imboty (married A. Marg Linn) and JohnKlotz

buried at Oley Hill:
Johannes Schmidt, 12 May 1789-16 Jan 1882 (related?)

Deed A2:204 has Nicholas Smith selling land to Peter Smith, 1761 (in Reading?), this family?
Deed B2:317 has Nicholas Smith and wife selling land toMichael Algeier
in Reading 1767/75. This family?

a Nicholas Schmidt on Brotherhood 3 Nov 1750

http://www.genforum.com/schmidt/
http://www.genforum.com/smith/

Nicolas married Maria Eva HAUCK Bef 1763, Berks Co, PA. Maria (daughter of Jacob HAUCK and Maria Elisabeth UNKNOWN) was born Abt 1741; died 1826, Colebrookdale Twp, Berks Co, PA. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Confirmation: 16 Apr 1756, Oley Hill Church, Pike Twp, Berks Co, PA
• Unknown: 1826, Berks Co, PA; LetAdmin
• _UID: 20C5F21259414F6ABC53CA75F96B875FD434

Notes:

administrator of estate was Peter Eshbach

Other Events:

• _UID: 474E621865A045579DD33DE201E7DFF6FCE5

Notes:

Maybe I was right and Dorothy is a Schmidt (see Trinity records). Then John
and Magdalena are *her* parents and I still don't know parents of Peter and
Melchior (and Francis)

1800, Brecknock, pg 567, 20001-10001
1800, E District, pg 595, 20010-02010 (and Elis)
1800, Exeter, pg 598, 00001-00001 (old couple-no kids) (ie born 1755) (perhaps English)
1800, Ruscomb Manor, pg 655, 00001-00001
1800, Robeson, pg 658, 11040-40010-80

John and Maria Gertraut:
sp -> 1795, Elisabeth Schmitt and ?? (alone) (at Schwarzwald)

John single sp -> 1796, Philip Jones and Catharine (at Spies)
note - Philip Jones and wf had child 1793, at Old Gosh, sp Heinrich Schmidt and wf

John and Magdalena:
sp -> 1800, Jacob Roth and wf (x2) (Schwartzwald)
sp -> 1801, Jacob Roth and wf (Oley Salem)

sp -> 1802, Melchior Schimdt and Dorothea (Spies)
sp -> 1804, Melchior Schmidt and Dorothea (Trinity Lutheran)

are John and Magdalena the parentsof Peter, Melchior (and maybe Francis?)

Note:
at St. Peter's, N Whales (inUpper Gwynedd Twp), Montgomery Co:
John and Magdalena had:
Adam 1785, sp Adam Schmidt, grandfather
Hannah 9 Oct 1788 (vs Mar 17, 1790, buried at Kimmel)
Anna Margaretha 1793

Adam, grandfather also sp to Heinrich Schmidt and Elis 1788

But if John and Magdalena had these kids, and moved to Reading area
circa 1794, why aren't there kids in their household in 1800 census?

Johannes married Maria Magdalena UNKNOWN Bef 1770, Berks Co, PA. Maria was born Abt 1770; died PA. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• _UID: 4451DC2FE27A4BD2A72E546ECFDECD204AB8

Other Events:

• Unknown: 2 Apr 1779, Berks Co, PA; LetAdmin
• Immigration: Bef 1766, PA
• _UID: 8D75592BB590419C9799FB740BA825001FE5

Notes:

Name Suffix: Senior

1760 tax list, Reading (single) (same one?)

1767 tax list, Exeter Twp

1771 tax list, Reading
1772 tax list, Reading
1773tax list, Reading
1774 tax list, Reading
1775 tax list, Reading
1779 tax list, Reading
1779 tax list, Reading (Catharine)

sp - 1768, George Michael Christman and wf Catharina
sp - 1770, John Philipp Sohns and Anna Barbara
sp - 1771, Michael Stein and Magdalena Sohns
sp -> 1771, Johannes Schneider and Maria Barbara (Trinity)
sp - 1774, Andreas Schaber and wf (1753 with a Jacob Schneider on Eastern Branch)

note - 3 Apr 1759, Trinity Lancaster, Andreas Schaber from Sachsenhause near Wertheim
married Gertraud Schaurichin.

Orphan's Court of 27 Mar 1781 mentions: issue five children to wit Jacob, Michael, Philip,
Magdalena, and Andrew, all Minors under fourteen years of age.

maybe sonJacob was of a prior marriage?

Since Jacob died in 1779 and was pretty young at the time, I wonder if it was related
to service in the Revolutionary War. Perhaps Jacob Snider in the 1st Class, 2nd
Company (Reading) Berks Militia.

a Jacob Schneider, friend and executor for Hans George Keller, 1771, Alsace

http://genforum.genealogy.com/snyder/
http://genforum.genealogy.com/schneider/

internet has birth as 23 Feb 1743/4 source?

Jacob married Anna Catharine SOHNS 14 Jan 1766, Trinity Lutheran Church, Reading, Berks Co, PA. Anna (daughter of John Philip SOHNS and Anna Barbara KERN) was born Feb 1745, Richmond Twp, Berks Co, PA; died Aft 1796, Maxatawny Twp, Berks Co, PA. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Baptism: 3 Mar 1745, Zion (Moselem) Church, Richmond Twp, Berks Co, PA
• _UID: EAD37F93620347488D37743A61708764F176

Notes:

signed all these by mark (+):

signed on inventory of Jacob Schneider, 7 Aug1780 as Catharine Seitz (with John Seitz)
signed for estate of John Seitz, 23Oct 1780 as Catharina Seitz
signed for estate of Jacob Schneider, 14 Apr 1781as Catharina Klein (mentions being
wife of Michael Klein)

I don't see AnnaCatharine in the Moselem records, but clearly her kids are there. I
wonder if when she remarried if her kids were raised by relatives in
Richmond Twp.